Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 05:24:48 -0500
From: Tarus BALOG
Subject: Re: Will the climate actually change???
I know that Gene has recently experienced a loss, and I think I can, for one time only, speak for the entire Chatlist when I say our thoughts and condolences are with him.
I’m going to assume that is why this non-Chatham centric post was allowed through. I feel compelled to respond, although I’ll be more than happy if Gene cuts off the discussion soon (unless, by some miracle, it remains civil).
On 01/25/2018 01:24 AM, Taylor Kish wrote:
The Chatham Conservation Partnership (CCP) announced the need to
postpone/reschedule the meeting until February 1, 2018 due to snowy
weather conditions. Imagine that. We cannot predict where it will
snow. How much it will snow. When it will snow.
Actually, all local meteorologists predicted snow. The only thing they were off on was the amount. The reason is that predicting the weather is actually difficult. Although this would require something called “effort” to understand, one great resource toward understanding the behavior of complex systems is the book “Chaos” by James Gleick[1]. In it he uses the example that if we took the world’s most powerful supercomputer and if we could feed it weather information (temperature, pressure, humidity) at a density of a sensor every foot and up to 100 miles in the sky, we still would not be able to predict the weather one month out.
but we think we can
predict “climate change” 50 years from now. We KNOW the climate WILL
change. Earth has seen mini ice ages, dust bowls, years of drought, and
catastrophic events over billions of years.
The examples used here, such as ice ages, occurred over thousands of years. The hottest year ever measured in modern times was 2016, and 16 of the 17 hottest years on record occurred since 2000[2]. This is a change so rapid that it must be due to a “non-natural” reasons, and the evidence points to anthropocentric (man-made) factors.
In 1970 “experts” predicted global cooling. In 1994, “experts”
predicted global warming. Yet the actual temperature has not changed.
As though a decade or 100 years means ANYTHING.
References? Or do you just enjoy making things up? You state that the actual temperature has not changed. You’re wrong[3].
I see this hoax called “climate change” serving two purposes. No, let’s
say three.
There are few things the scientific community has more consensus on than anthropomorphic climate change. It isn’t a hoax and it shouldn’t be politicized. It is going to affect everyone on the planet. God created a garden of Eden for us on this planet, and I for one won’t count on his Will to save us if we decide to throw that gift away.
Wait. That reminds me. This is really funny. Carbon Dioxide is
supposed to be a climate killer, right? lol rofl Yet, we’ve made our
houses so airtight in the past 40 years that no CO2 could escape (or
fresh air infiltrate. Nobody opens their windows anymore?) So why do
we all not DIE of CO2 poisoning? Why is CO2 not killing us in our own
houses? In the actual environment, CO2 is only a microscopic percentage
of the air around us. Microscopic.
This is one of your sillier paragraphs, which is saying something.
First of all, you may be confusing Carbon Dioxide (CO2) with Carbon Monoxide (CO). The latter is very dangerous as even “microscopic” amounts on the order of 200ppm (0.02%) can be deadly[4]. The reason is that the “missing” oxygen atom of carbon monoxide removes breathable oxygen from the air (creating CO2), thus causing death. Many people in Chatham, myself included, use LP gas to heat our homes and a faulty gas heater can produce enough CO to be deadly, so I encourage everyone to get a CO detector (that is just good advice and is not some socialist plot).
CO2, on the other hand, makes up 0.041% [5] of the atmosphere by volume[5]. To put it in terms of money, that would be about a penny to $1000. It’s a very small amount, but I believe I would still be able to see it, so I wouldn’t say it is microscopic.
But the affect of CO2 on the atmosphere is huge. Even a small change can have large consequences. The current concentrations may be the highest in 20 million years[6].
Finally, if you believe something “microscopic” isn’t important, think if you were injected with a single Ebola virus. That would be truly microscopic and would make up a negligible amount of your total body weight, but I don’t think you would like the outcome.
Climate change is going to affect us all, and it would be nice if we could have a civil discussion about it. It may be comforting to assume it is all a hoax, but the fact of the matter is that we are quickly approaching a point where are choices on how to deal with it will be limited. I refer to Chatham County as “God’s Own Earth” and I want its inherent beauty to be around for the rest of my lifetime, and for generations to come.
-T
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/
[4] http://www.nutramed.com/
[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/
[6] https://www.ipcc.ch/
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Tarus et al –
I’m doing OK after the passing of my mom.
As to global warming aka climate change. Since the Chatham Commissioners created and appointed a Chatham County Climate Change committee in 2015, we can go ahead and have a discussion on the issue for a few days.
The Chatlist is open for global warming/climate change disussion until Wednesday, January 31. After that you are all welcome to discuss the issue to your heart’s content on the numerous Internet sites availbale.
Some sources for Chathamcentric discussion of the issue are located at
http://www.chathamnc.org/
http://www.chathamnc.org/home/
http://www.chathamnc.org/home/
http://www.chathamnc.org/home/
Gene Galin
Chatlist adminsitrator
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