Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 13:47:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Betty Black
Subject: Non-Pittsboro Citizens Speaking out . .

Like it or not, many of the folks that have shown their concerns on the Chatlist regarding the approval of Christian School- do not live within the voting boundries of Pittsboro. But many of us call Pittsboro our home.  Our mailing address is Pittsboro and that is where we go to shop. Many of us own businesses there.  And like it or not, many of us non residents know more about what goes on there than the “city limit” residents.
 
So you don’t like it that we voice our opinions about how the approval of the school is being handled by the town board? That’s tough.
 
And for those of you who think that I might have a child or children of school age or that I am in some way connected with the proposed school-  it is not true. Just speaking out against what appears to me (and many others) that the application for the school is being bamboozled by fans of the City Tap. They follow a well worn path. Eat, drink and be wary.
 
Folks, worry from others about the future of the City Tap is behind this whole probable veto of the application for the school.  I have no doubts that the City Tap will win out. They won out on the loud “music?”  problem a while back.  Mayor Voller also stood by the City Tap- allowing that he was an amature musician himself-
 
Get yor fiddle out Mr. Mayor, start practicing yor Victory tune! How About “The Beer that Made Milwaukee Famous– Made Pittsboro Drunk”?
 
Betty Black

Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 16:22:00 -0500
From: Lynn Contant Fass
Subject: Cary Council Land Use meeting

To All Residents of Chatham County,

On Tuesday, January 24th., at 6:30pm, a few Chatham County Residents attended a town hall meeting in Cary.  A very important subject of the Cary/Chatham County Land Use current map.  It is disappointing and embarrassing  that none of the Chatham County Commissioners attended the meeting to hear what their residents had to say.  Mrs. Sally Kost, as a private resident did attend, and she addressed the Cary Town Council eloquently and with purpose.  As did other residents of the areas in question.  Where was Mr. Bock, Ms. Stewart, Mr. Cross and Mr. Petty? I would have thought at least one of the CCC, that is responsible for this map proposal, would have attended.

There is another Cary Planning Board Meeting scheduled for Monday, February 20th., at the Cary Town Hall Bldg., at 6:30pm.  Please attend we need all, there is strength in numbers.   Don’t be sorry when it is too late.  We still have time and power to change this current map to what will work best for our land, lake and the residents.  I know it gets tiring, but it will be worth it.

Thank you Mrs. Kost for your informative address Tuesday to the Cary Town Council and Mayor Winebrecht.

Lynn

Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 11:42:12 -0500 (EST)
From: lacooper
Subject: Haw River Christian Academy

I am completely amazed at the statements and attitude of the folks campaigning for the school to open in the old Piggly Wiggly building.  The remarks are full of hate and immediate anger whenever anyone questions their motivation or does not agree with them.  What happened to constructive critisim and discussion? 

I really haven’t thought much about the school pro or con until the recent postings on the chat list and on facebook.  I have been caught up in an ongoing life & death family crisis and, frankly, just haven’t had the time or energy to care about anything else lately.  But, the name calling and labeling is very sad and more than a little scary.  The school advocates need to stop and think about the impression they are making.  At present – based on the reactions I have seen so far – my impression of the school advocates is very bad.  They appear to be Intolerant Bullies who intend to push their agenda down the throats of anyone who disagrees with them while highlighting the fact that they are Christian – which automatically seems to mean everyone who disagrees with them is not.

Stop and ask yourselves:  why would someone just “tuning in” to the topic be interested in joining your cause when you appear to be so hateful?  As a resident of Pittsboro, why would I want a business run by you in “my” town? 

Tone it down!!  Stop the name calling and bullying!!!  Have a reasonable and constructive discussion with the Town Commissioners and I bet you will have better results.  You will certainly attract more positive attention and possibly more advocates that way. 

And before you start jumping up and down calling me names and giving me labels – read my statement carefully.  I have not given a single clue about my politics and/or religious preference – so consider that before you start slinging mud.  You have no idea if I want the school to succeed in opening in the old Pig or not.  Maybe I do, maybe I don’t.  I just want the bullying to stop!!!

Linda Allred Cooper

Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 12:53:01 -0500
From: Pam
Subject: Wa la la la la

I am a true native of chatham never lived outside the county. I have been on both sides of very hurtful land use arguments in this great county. My dad recieved much hate mail and phone calls years ago when he sold some family land that was  later involved in the cary annex bla bla bla. I would preach to everyone how everyone should have the right to do what they want with the land they own and pay taxes on. I was a young daughter in my twentys.  Then years later on the day the foudation was being dug for my dream house for my little family in pittsboro I recieved a letter saying the owner of the land adjoining my entire back yard was asking for a very drastic rezoning of his property from the strictist residential to the most liberal commercial. So suddenly i was the one out begging for support.  To his credit I will say i always and still blame poor planning and hasty aprovals from the pittsboro commissioners for what never should have been a problem.  When all the nice housing developments 1st asking for permission to build and water was plenty they approved nice beautiful places to live with NO greenspace required around them. So whoever happened to live on the outside edges had to deal with whatever their backside landowners wanted to do.  Anyway… thousands of dollars and tears later we sold the dream house and the zoning was approved and he built and sold his business and left the county .

  So as i said earlier i have suffered through both sides of the land use horror that no one can truly understand unless they are really closely affected by it.  I dont mean the folks who live 3 miles away and are offended by the neon sign  they have to look at as they drive by .  Or the people who moved here because it was so country. 

  What is the answer? For me ive learned to totally research the area i plan to invest in.  I didnt even know what common protected greenspace meant as a young person.   I now live on 751 which will surely face a four lane expansion in my lifetime. After  highway 40 was built our country road became the most popular pass through to get on 40 from 64.  And if Durham ever wants to annex this end of the county and run sewer to us I will jump for joy and maybe run naked down 751 urging folks to vote for it. 

    So we all have to be honest about our motives in these debates.  Its usually our own comfort and pocketbook.  Not the workers at walmart who may get 38 hours a week so they dont get full time benefits.  If you dont like walmart dont shop there and fight for fairer work place laws.  If the traffic is too crazy call ncdmv or whoever handles that in nc and keep records and demand traffic lights etc.  Otherwise buy a big tract of land way out and be sure to put your house right in the middle. And enjoy your 30 minute drives to the grocery.  I havent figured out another answer yet…

Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:26:24 -0500
From: Lynn Fass
Subject: Fwd: Urgent-Land Use Meeting

Joint land-use meeting with Cary, Tuesday, January 17, 6PM in the Agriculture Building Auditorium, Pittsboro

Open public meeting.  Please attend.

Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 22:18:01 -0500
From: Gene Galin
Subject: Last Week’s Hottest Bulletin Board Topics

1. WCHL – Walmart Coming To NE Chatham County on 15-501 near Orange County line  (Read 3498 times)  at
http://chatham-county-nc.com/bulletinboard/index.php/topic,24679.0.html

2. Injury at Christmas parade  (Read 2524 times)  at
http://chatham-county-nc.com/bulletinboard/index.php/topic,24667.0.html

3. when is the christmas parade?  (Read 954 times)  at
http://chatham-county-nc.com/bulletinboard/index.php/topic,24600.0.html

4. CC – Carrboro residents oppose proposed Family Dollar  (Read 701 times)  at
http://chatham-county-nc.com/bulletinboard/index.php/topic,24681.0.html

5. Sportsman Lanes Bowling in Siler City is closing  (Read 567 times) at
http://chatham-county-nc.com/bulletinboard/index.php/topic,24674.0.html

6. 751 South project near Jordan Lake  (Read 469 times)  at
http://chatham-county-nc.com/bulletinboard/index.php/topic,24653.0.html

7. Rick Rosen: A Job Well Done  (Read 239 times)  at
http://chatham-county-nc.com/bulletinboard/index.php/topic,24668.0.html

8. Local company creates a video for their Christmas sales!  (Read 224 times)  at
http://chatham-county-nc.com/bulletinboard/index.php/topic,24677.0.html

Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 21:04:36 -0500
From: Tim Walker
Subject: Walmart in Chatham County

What a very thoughtful post from Ellen Pearson, re. making Walmart more a more responsible corporate citizen! It made think of the last time I was in Costco in Durham. They actually had Cackalacky sauce (a local product, out of Chapel Hill) for sale!

So, I would definitely agree with the point “Would you like certain products to be available to compensate for the excess traffic, the loss of local businesses, the loss of property values?  Tell Walmart what you think.”  And vote with your feet.

Tim Walker

Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 12:45:41 -0500
From: John R Dykers
Subject: New Walmart

50 years ago, even 60, that intersection was known as 5 points and has been commercial even longer. It was the sight of an ABC store, the closest for Chatham County residents. Gas station, massage parlor, appliance store, et al. The increase in traffic has come with the four lane of 15-501.

For comparison, Cole Park Plaza intersection at the time was only a side road west and all the other corners were woods and fallow meadows.

“Everybody’s gotta be somewhere”. The only resolution is pregnancy prevention.

John Dykers

Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 15:48:33 -0500
From: Gene Galin
Subject: Walmart Coming To Chatham County on 15-501 near Orange County line

Chapel Hill Town Manager Roger Stancil says that “plans for a new Walmart had been filed with Chatham County, right over the line, which I think would make it very convenient for people to leave Chapel Hill, shop in Chatham County and then come back and live here.”
 
Orange County economic development director Steve Brantley says the average Walmart generates about $70 million in retail sales.
 
“The significant property tax and retail sales tax from that Walmart will be supported, probably in large part, by Orange County shoppers,” Brantley says.
 
The Walmart currently in Hillsborough pays $200,000 in county property taxes each year, and produces about 10 percent of Orange County’s annual sales tax revenue.

Read the entire story at http://www.chapelboro.com/Walmart-Coming-To-Chatham-County/11663162

Chatham Online BBS discussion at http://chatham-county-nc.com/bulletinboard/index.php/topic,24679.0.html

Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 09:48:39 -0500
From: chathammatters
Subject: Response to Angela Blueskies and Lynn Fass

Response to Lynn Fass and Angela Blueskies:

- unfortunately you seem determined to promote fear-mongering instead of fact, Gasland for example is anything but fact.

State of Colorado Oil and Gas Conservation Commission
“Because an informed public debate on hydraulic fracturing depends on accurate information, the Colorado Oil and Gas Conservation Commission (COGCC) would like to correct errors in the film’s portrayal of the Colorado incidents.”

“Gasland incorrectly attributes cases of water well contamination in Colorado to oil and gas development when our investigations determined that the wells in question contained biogenic methane that is not attributable to such development.”

   • Source: State of Colorado Oil & Gas Conservation Commission, Correcting Gasland

John Hanger, Secretary, Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection
Gasland is “fundamentally dishonest” and “a deliberately false presentation for dramatic effect.”

   • Source: Philadelphia Inquirer, ”Gasland’ documentary fuels debate over natural gas extraction,” June 23, 2010

Ground Water Protection Council
Gasland “stated that the Ground Water Protection Council refused an interview with…[Josh Fox] regarding the practice known as ‘hydraulic fracturing’. This statement by the filmmakers was inaccurate. To our knowledge, no one representing the production company approached us for comment on this subject…Had Mr. Fox or his representatives contacted us, we would have been receptive to discussing this issue as we have on numerous occasions when contacted by media outlets.”

   • Source: Groundwater Protection Council Statement on Gasland.

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Ok folks -

We are trending back to a generic discussion about fracking again.

I am forwarding this notice to the fracking discussion group at fracking-in-nc@googlegroups.com

This group is growing. If you interested in continuing to discuss fracking simply join the group and send your emails there.

Thanks so much.

Gene
Chatlist Moderator
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