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Written by Gene Galin   
Saturday, 02 May 2009

This digest contains the following messages:

  1. Chatham Community Church will "leave the building" on Sunday, May 3.- Come  
  2. A New All-time Low  
         by: Lesley Landis
         by: Dr. Jacqulyn Nygren
  4. Northwood Varsity Soccer Loses Tough Match to Carrboro 3-1 Wednesday Night  
         by: Darcey Moore
  5. Northwood Varsity Softball Defeats Orange in Dramatic Fashion 3-2 Tuesday night  
         by: Darcey Moore
  6. Anti-Capitalist Chatham Residents Shoot Selves In Collective Feet  
         by: CrYpTiK
  7. bogus post  
         by: Mack Justice
  8. Analyst Humor  
  9. What a load of BS!  
         by: Edward Coffman
  10. Gentlemen's club  
         by: Elizabeth K
  11. This is totally hilarious.  
         by: BynumNC
  12. Bogus "Gentleman's Club" press release  
         by: warthur2
  13. Gentlemen's Club Awaits Chatham Liquor Vote Before Making Decision  
         by: Wolf, Martha
  14. Bada Bing! The Sopranos are coming to Chatham County!  
  15. Re: Non-existant Gentlemens Club  
         by: julia kennedy
  16. FUNNY FICTION Re: liquor by the drink  
         by: John Bonitz
  17. Baptist Association: No Position on Referendum  
         by: William (Chip) Pate
  18. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Anonymous_=22gentleman's=22_club_post_was_a_sick_joke?=  
         by: Jeffrey Starkweather
  19. p.t.porch railing balusters (pickets) for sale  
  20. Announcement: Janet Resnik Pottery, Spring Kiln Opening  
  21. Chiropractor Reccomendations + Try Massage!  
         by: jaime*chandra
  22. Re: Requested Info for Lawyers  
         by: Cindy Lodestro
  23. Northwood JV and Varsity Soccer Thursday night  
         by: Darcey Moore
  24. Area Charter School Seeking Adult Guineas for Green Tick Control  
         by: Ann Kaiyala
  25. volunteers needed for 5K race/May 9th  
         by: Tami Schwerin
  26. Randy Voller's Post  
         by: Sharon Thomas
  27. we think this is a hoax  
         by: Lynn Richardson
  28. Northwood JV Baseball Defeats Cedar Ridge 4-3 Thursday night  
         by: Darcey Moore
  29. that one is NOT a hoax  
         by: Cindy Moore
  30. Chiropractor  
         by: Jeff Lane
  31. Yoga Nidra Workshop Series  
         by: daryl walker
  32. A message from the Chatham Citizen Corps Council  
         by: Ann Watson
  33. Interfaith Devotional Meeting May 3rd Eli Whitney  
         by: Alamance Baha'i
  34. My Take on Using "Real Names"  

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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 06:50:33 -0400
Subject: Chatham Community Church will "leave the building" on Sunday, May 3.- Come
 join us as we serve!

 Chatham Community Church will "leave the building" on Sunday, May 3 to
 get out into the community to serve and show God's love in very
 tangible ways to others.

 Over 100 adults and children from the church will participate in
 service projects including making several improvements at Perry
 Harrison School where the church meets regularly on Sunday mornings,
 cleaning up the Haw River area, serving alongside Habitat for
 Humanity, and performing individual home repairs.  This service
 opportunity is open to all members of the community who would like to
 join in serving.

 Participants will gather at Perry Harrison School at 8:30 am and begin
 the service projects by 9 am.  The participants will reconvene between
 12:00-12:30pm at Perry Harrison School for a picnic lunch to celebrate
 the day together.  Perry Harrison School is located at 2655 Hamlet
 Chapel Rd., Pittsboro, NC 27312.

 Additional information can be found at the church’s website:

--------------------  2  --------------------
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:04:31 -0400
From: Lesley Landis
Subject: A New All-time Low

The latest low point (a new all-time low?) for meaningful political  
discourse in Chatham County has been reached. The mock post from a  
fear-monger named "Ana-Lyst" containing a double entendre-filled press  
release about a gentlemen's club locating in Chatham County, complete  
with a telephone number to a sex line was 100% cynical.
I have no doubt that when the Mixed Beverage Referendum passes a lot  
of things are going to change but I think it'll generally be for the  
better. I bitterly resent transparent and juvenile scare tactics such  
as "Ana-Lyst's" and hope readers will 1) take the post as a lesson in  
media literacy and 2) vote "FOR" Mixed Beverage Sales on May 5th.

Lesley Landis

--------------------  3  --------------------
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 05:44:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Dr. Jacqulyn Nygren"

Join us on Cinco de Mayo from 11:00AM until 3:30 PM!  Local businesses in Bellemont Station will be teaming with the American Red Cross to hold the Pittsboro Community Blood Drive.  The need for blood is great and donors tend to drop in the spring and summer months.  Donating blood is a simple way to save a life.  If you are interested in donating or have questions regarding eligibility give us a call and we'll get you squared away.
You won't want to miss the give aways from Snap Fitness and Pittsboro Dental Associates.  The Red Cross is even giving away a cruise!
Registration is at New Branch Chiropractic & Health Center.  If you know you'll be stopping by, give us a call so we can set you up with an appointment to minimize the wait.
We look forward to saving lives together! 

Rooted in Your Health,
Jacqulyn L. Nygren, D.C.
120 Lowes Drive, Ste. 105
Pittsboro, NC 27312
(919) 642-0555

--------------------  4  --------------------
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:56:34 -0400
From: "Darcey Moore"
Subject: Northwood Varsity Soccer Loses Tough Match to Carrboro 3-1 Wednesday Night

The NHS girls dropped a very well played match to Carrboro Wednesday
night 3-1. Northwood scored first with a rebound missed ball by the
Carrboro keeper only to have it taken away by the official (a
questionable call), interference by our player. The Lady Chargers later
scored on a direct kick from 25 yards out by Casey Norris about five
minutes later to go up 1-0. Carrboro put in a rebound shot right before
the half to make it a 1-1 game. Ten minutes into the second half
Carrboro scored off a cross that was jarred loose from keeper Sara
McCaw's hands. The match remained that way until the last minute when
Carrboro hit a thirty yard shot over Sara's head into the net. Both
teams had an equal amount of shots on goal with numerous near misses,
great physical play, great hustle and intensity. Sara McCaw had many
spectacular saves to keep the Lady Chargers in the match. Yancey Luft,
Allie Gray, Danielle Suprick and Erin Walker did a wonderful job as core
defenders. It was a great match to watch, participate in, coach, etc.
I'm extremely proud of our effort/execution tonight. Don't count this
group out of a long run in the playoffs. The Lady Chargers stand at
8-3-2 with a match at home Thursday vs Cedar Ridge (JV at 5:00/Varsity
at 7:00).

Dr. Jason "Brent" Cooper

--------------------  5  --------------------
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:57:28 -0400
From: "Darcey Moore"
Subject: Northwood Varsity Softball Defeats Orange in Dramatic Fashion 3-2 Tuesday night

Carrie Webster hit a walk off home run into the trees just left of the
flag pole with one out in the bottom of the seventh to lead the Lady
Chargers to a 3-2 win over conference rival Orange on Tuesday night here
at NHS. The Lady Chargers led 2-0 late into the game before a Panther
rally tied the score at 2 going into the bottom of the seventh setting
the stage for Webster's game winning home run. Webster also collected
the win on the mound with a strong pitching performance allowing only
one hit and two runs while striking out 6. Padgett Harrington had two
hits for the Lady Chargers, while Keeley Skinner, Lauren Glosson, Lauren
Martin, and Kaitlyn Briggs all had one hit a piece. Christa Surles and
Lauren Oldham scored the other two Lady Charger runs before Webster's
walk off home run ended the game in the bottom of the seventh.

Congratulations to the Lady Chargers for their important conference
victory over Orange Tuesday night.

Dr. Jason "Brent" Cooper

--------------------  6  --------------------
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:11:09 -0400
From: CrYpTiK
Subject: Anti-Capitalist Chatham Residents Shoot Selves In Collective Feet

Mixed beverage/liquor by the drink/"LBD" or whatever other name you call one's making you drink 'em.  The topic has been hashed out
numerous times on the Chatlist as well as the Chatham message board
numerous times and the primary arguments being made against it have been
refuted by many common sense counterpoints from many local residents
that no one has yet managed to successfully dispute, such as how
drinking five minutes from home versus fifty endangers less people and
how current laws don't prevent me or you from making mixed drinks during
get-togethers at our homes and getting plastered locally anyway.

The arguments I'm now beginning to see leak into the Chatlist in the
form of reposted news articles are even more ridiculous, though, such as
how evil corporate machines will appear in Chatham and "vacuum the
dollars away to corporate headquarters."

If you want more dollars to exist in Chatham County, you have to have
local businesses that "vacuum the dollars" from outside places into
Chatham, and from what I've come to understand, the managers of Siler
City and Pittsboro are so gung-ho about nice-sounding goals like
"preserving the appearance of Chatham County" that they're being hostile
to the very businesses that you people here want to see grow and pull
cash into the county: local small businesses that bring money in from
outside.  How?  By enacting arbitrary laws such as some of the sign
ordinances we see, which keeps McDonald's in Siler from running its
ultra-expensive banner at the street continuously, yet in the same
breath prevents a company right down the road from getting a sign
installed in a pre-existing sign box due to an arbitrary sign ordinance
regulation that makes no sense.  The things that are good for these
"evil big corporate beasts" are the same things that are good for the
small local businesses that reverse the direction of the "money
vacuum."  Hypocrisy all around.  Thanks, neighbor.

A "gentlemen's club" might open its doors in Chatham County?  OH THE
HORROR.  Listen, no one's making you visit that club.  Keep your
personal morality to yourself and stop using the local governments to
enforce your moral beliefs on others.  No one in Chatham will be
seriously affected in any way by one single strip club opening its doors
unless they make a decision to patronize the place, so what's the big

There has been enough whining about this stuff already.  It's time for
it to cease.  I'm sick of my fellow county residents being so ignorant
and hypocritical about these issues.  Educate yourself on everything
you're "opposing" when you scream about hating big bad businesses.  The
collateral damage will be to yourself and your neighbors.  You might as
well be kicking every business owner you personally know in the shins
when you spew off about hating any kind of business.  The same laws that
hurt McDonald's or Wal-Mart or any other "big" business are applied
equally to small ones.  Congratulations on helping to further beat up
Chatham County financially.  How many more businesses need to close or
leave Chatham before you change your attitudes about these things?

--------------------  7  --------------------
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:29:15 -0400
From: Mack Justice
Subject: bogus post


This is completely irresponsible.  There is no such place in existence.  The
phone number is bogus - it is a sex line.  The coroporation does not exist.
Do you check out any posts?  This one was so clearly false, it sticks out
like a sore thumb.  Didn't you recognize that?  Couldn't you take a second
to check it out?  A retraction should be made.  This is a clear attempt by
someone to hijack the legitimate election debate with insane scare tactics.
This post is racist and sexist and meant to turn all of that toward
negatively influencing the election with lies.  Shameful, and shame on you

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:33:17 -0400
From: Anna Lyst
Subject: Gentlemen's Club Awaits Chatham Liquor Vote Before Making Decision

Has anyone else seen a press release like this?



Gentlemen's club plans to move into Chatham County if liquor by the drink is

XPress (Press Release) – April 28, 2009 – Las Vegas, NV -  While America’s
current economic crisis might be causing a reduction in the number of men
heading into gentlemen's clubs, Tony's Cabaret, Inc of Lodi, New Jersey sees
a great opportunity to open up in a new underserved market.

The new gentlemen's club will become a destination for both tourists and
Triangle residents alike. The Club will provide premiere adult entertainment
with an air of elegance and class previously not experienced in the are. At
7,000 square feet, The Club will pamper North Carolinians with the finest
dancers, full bottle service, an extensive list of wine and champagne as
well as mixed adult beverages. Guests of The Club will be treated to a wide
array of charming and lovely ladies.

In addition to The Club’s enticing entertainment offerings, the venue will
feature a steakhouse helmed by a five-star chef. The chef will rely on local
food suppliers as much as possible.The restaurant’s atmosphere will be
unparalleled in classic décor and extensive southern hospitality.

Managing partner Silvio Dante states, "the opening of The Club in Chatham
County, North Carolina will raise the the bar in the gentlemen's club
industry as it brings fantasy, elegance and sophistication to the North
Carolina market."

While nothing has been finalized, preliminary plans have been drawn up.

"With the construction market down so much, now is the time to build," Dante

The main stage will surrounded by some of the most comfortable high back
chairs to ensure a relaxing experience. The staff will be incredibly
friendly and beyond accommodating to customer needs. The customer service
will exceeds all expectations.

The 2nd floor will have a dining table to accommodate 12, a private stage, a
banquette lounge seating as well as a private bar, a private bathroom and a
DJ to play customers' music.

Customers will be expected to dress to impress as proper attire will be
required and you must be 21 and over to come in.

Sporting events will be displayed on the plasmas through out the club
featuring UFC, Speed Channel, Verses, HBO Boxing Events as well as the
stations like CNBC, CNN and Fox.

The Club will employ an extensive line-up of entertainers. Customers will be
able to enjoy over one hundred dancers throughout the week as they move on
the main stage to the music provided live DJ ranging from hip-hop to house
to good old-fashioned rock and roll.

Have a bachelor that you want to send off in style? Perhaps you have a
corporate party that you want to plan? The Club will be the ultimate hot
spot for doing just that. A brand new hybrid Cadillac Escalade with a driver
will available to pick up and drop off customers for these private events.

The Club will accept all major credit cards including Discover. While there
will not have an ATM on location, customers can opt to use Plenty of Fun
Dollars (house money) to make it easier for them to enjoy themselves.

The Club will be open Monday through Sunday from 5PM to 2AM. There will be
eco-friendly off-street parking, as well as valet parking.

About Tony's Cabaret, Inc.

Tony's Cabaret, Inc. operates upscale nightclubs serving primarily
businessmen and professionals that offer live entertainment, restaurant and
bar operations.

Tony's Cabaret, Inc.
Route 17
Lodi, New Jersey 07644
Media Contact: Silvio Dante

--------------------  8  --------------------
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:40:30 EDT
Subject: Analyst Humor

I get it, AnnaLyst - it's a joke.  Racist and sexist and lame,  but a joke
nonetheless.  Nice Chatham County touch with the digs about "eco  friendly"
and "hybrid Escalade,"  and even a jab at the Plenty ("Plenty of  Fun Money
(house money)").  Joke or no, I find it highly offensive.   Do you think
everyone gets the joke?  Or do you think some people might  take this as
legitimate and be scared about the election?  Do you think  that is the purpose of
this post?  Do you think many people will take the  time to call the number
listed to find out it's also bogus, or to figure out  that this company
isn't even real?  Lots of questions here.  As to  your question:  No, Anna, no
one else has seen these press releases.

--------------------  9  --------------------
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:53:47 -0400
From: "Edward Coffman"
Subject: What a load of BS!

What a load of bullshit!!!!

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:33:17 -0400
From: Anna Lyst
Subject: Gentlemen's Club Awaits Chatham Liquor Vote Before Making Decision

Has anyone else seen a press release like this?



Gentlemen's club plans to move into Chatham County if liquor by the drink is

--------------------  10  --------------------
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 10:15:38 -0400
From: Elizabeth K
Subject: Gentlemen's club

Anna Lyst: The press release you quote sounds almost like a put-on. But,
even if it isn¹t and liquor by the drink is passed, this does not
automatically mean that The Club will come to Chatham County.

It¹s not up to Silvio Dante and his investors whether The Club comes to
Chatham. The NC ABC board conducts background checks of owners and managers
of liquor-serving establishments, and zoning, land-use controls, design
standards, and CITIZENS all have input.

As responsible citizens, we don¹t have to allow anything to happen to our
county that we don¹t like.

--------------------  11  --------------------
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:35:42 +0000
From: BynumNC
Subject: This is totally hilarious.

This is totally hilarious.  Whoever "Anna Lyst" is, he or she is a true comedian.  Thanks for sending!  I loved the part about the "eco-friendly off-street parking".  And the "managing partner", Silvio Dante, is a character from The Sopranos.  Too funny.

On a more serious note, a google search for "tony's cabaret" will not turn up anything.  There are a few other parts of this alleged "press release" that should be setting off everyone's warning bells.  Like the name of the sender ("Anna Lyst"), for example.  I was thinking that it was a piece of humorous satire, but my guess is that it's a fairly clever piece of deception from someone opposed to liquor by the drink.  


--------------------  12  --------------------
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 13:46:59 -0400
From: "warthur2"
Subject: Bogus "Gentleman's Club" press release

    The "press release" in the April 30 chatlist about a "gentlemen's club"
opening in Chatham County if liquor-by-the-drink passes is bogus. First,
there is no Tony's Cabaret listed in Lodi, New Jersey, where the
establishment is supposedly based. Second, the contact person listed is the
name of a character in the Sopranos TV show. Third, the number on the press
release takes you to a sex chat line, not a press contact. Fourth, much of
the language is drawn word for word from a press release issued in January
about a "gentlemen's club" to open in New York.

    This is just a sophomoric scare tactic from liquor-by-the-drink foes.

    The fact is that liquor-by-the-drink will bring more high quality
establishments to Chatham County, and many of them will be locally owned
because it will be financially possible for locals, who might not have the
deep pockets of a national chain, to make a profit. We can weed out the
trash, such as any "gentlemen's club," through the zoning and permiting

--------------------  13  --------------------
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:12:42 -0400
From: "Wolf, Martha"
Subject: Gentlemen's Club Awaits Chatham Liquor Vote Before Making Decision

I hadn't thought much about the "mixed beverage referendum in Chatham
County" vote until I saw this.  I like Chatham as it is.  We fight the
big housing developers and the town of Cary to keep our county and towns
the way they are.  We try to modernize without destroying what we love
about where we live.  Our towns are safe for the most part.  We don't
have to worry about who/what our kids see walking down the street.
Reading that post made me realize what a hole we are digging ourselves
if we let this referendum pass.  I wouldn't mind having a Bahama Mama
with supper ;*D.... but not at the cost of jeopardizing all we have
fought to keep all these years.  I'll just visit the ABC store and make
my own.

--------------------  14  --------------------
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 18:26:54 +0000
Subject: Bada Bing! The Sopranos are coming to Chatham County!

Anna -

Great post! I always wondered what was going to happen to Tony and his family after the fadeout of the last episode of the Sopranos. Now I know, they are on their way to Chatham.

Wonder where they are going to live - Governors Club? Briar Chapel? Chapel Ridge? The Preserve?


--------------------  15  --------------------
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:41:29 -0400
From: julia kennedy
Subject: Re: Non-existant Gentlemens Club

Re: Non-existant Gentlemens Club

Although deserving points for creative writing, the author of this "Press
Release" is obviously using a ridiculous idea to lend credence to the No LBD
movement by tapping into public fears on MANY different levels. Only the
truly gullible will be fooled by this transparent attempt to turn the vote
by using this bizarre  platform. Does anyone else remember "Weapons of Mass

Julia Kennedy

--------------------  16  --------------------
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:51:35 -0400
From: John Bonitz
Subject: FUNNY FICTION Re: liquor by the drink

Dear Neighbors,

I awoke this morning to a piece of Chatlist fiction that was at first
shocking, then quite funny!

Perhaps others read the salacious 'news' of a New Jersey company
seeking to open a 'gentlemens club' here in Chatham?  The so-called
'press release' began by saying this would happen "if liquor by the
drink is approved."

I've seen a few sketchy press releases in my days, but this one takes
the cake!  It was totally laughable!  The first thing that set-off my
skeptic-alarm was the idea that a New Jersey business would pick tiny
little Chatham County to build a strip-tease joint!   Fayetteville,
maybe.  But Chatham?!?  No way.

Sure enough, the email address of the sender was faked, and so was the
address for the supposed New Jersey company:
Email   Date checked        Status   4/30/2009 2:30:43 PM   Not valid      4/30/2009 2:31:40 PM    Not valid

Then I checked with a friend who knows a lot about county planning
ordinances.  I was assured that our zoning does not allow either
'gentlemens clubs' or adult book stores.

The funniest part of this story is the origin of "Tony's Cabaret."  A
quick google search delivered a half dozen literary references to this
fictional establishment, including one novel called "Northwoods Pulp"
by Thomas Sparrow.  Suffice it to say, the use of 'gentlemens club' in
this novel gave me new perspectives on the phrase.  (Don't look it up
if you're offended by tawdry language.)

I'd just like to thank the anonymous author of this funny piece of
fiction for brightening my day with a laugh!  Such blatant
fear-mongering about liquor-by-the-drink actually helps more than
hurts.  I thank you for it!

I support the liquor-by-the-drink referendum because our county must
have more tax revenue to meet the demands of new residential
development (thanks to Bunkey and gang!).  I am also in favor of
allowing existing restaurants more options to boost sales.  If an
adult wants to spend money on a liquor drink with dinner, and a
licensed bartender is serving, why should we prevent it?  I am also
assured by the studies showing that drinking and driving is no higher
in wet counties than in dry counties.  Finally, I am confident that
it will help our community.

I voted early.  You can too!

Y'all go vote in favor of this referendum!

John Bonitz
Pittsboro, NC

--------------------  17  --------------------
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 18:50:59 -0400
From: "William (Chip) Pate"
Subject: Baptist Association: No Position on Referendum

I was surprised (and disappointed) see the post by Randy Voller,
announcing that an organization called "Sandy Creek Baptist
Association Against Liquor by the Drink" had registered as a
political action group to oppose the mixed beverage referendum -
clearly implying that the large association of local Baptist churches
had voted in some way to become involved in the political campaign.

That perception was reinforced (if not intended) when I saw a
full-page ad in The Chatham News opposing the measure. The ad was
signed by "The Churches of The Sandy Creek Baptist Association" and
listed the address of the Sandy Creek Baptist Association office
- essentially stating that the association was responsible for the

While I'm still trying to get confirmation from the association
office, a pastor familiar with the effort told me that the Sandy
Creek Baptist Association actually has taken no position on the

I understand that Steve Moore, pastor of Emmaus Baptist Church and
apparently listed as treasurer of the political action group,
solicited donations via e-mail and did receive contributions from
some churches in the association.

But I have been told that no association money has been used in the
campaign, nor is the association, itself, backing this effort.

Chip Pate
PO Box 1414
Pittsboro, NC  27312

--------------------  18  --------------------
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:06:08 -0400
From: "Jeffrey Starkweather"
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Anonymous_=22gentleman's=22_club_post_was_a_sick_joke?=

I was sickened to read on the "family oriented" Chatham Chatlist
the pornographic spoof posted on Wednesday by an anonymous
poster, "Anna Lyst" , entitled " Gentleman's Club plans to move
into Chatham County if liquor by the drink is approved."

This was a feeble attempt at satire and it was clear to me from
the title of this post that some opponents of the May 5th
mixed-beverage referendum will go to any length to spread false
fears among chatlist readers in hopes misleading them into voting
against the referendum. Since I did not care much for the
Sopranos' extremely violent television series I was not aware of
the obvious references to that TV show, such as the fact that
Silvio Dante was a Mafia character in the Sopranos who ran a
strip club.

I was also informed that one reader actually called the number
listed on this chatlist post as the contact information for this
supposed gentleman's club and discovered it was a porn site.
Thus, any minor reading this chatlist post now has the number of
a telephone sex line. Nice move "Anna Lyst."

This poster's real identity should be publicly exposed by the
Chatlist Moderator and he or she should be permanently banned
from the chatlist.

Mayor Randy Voller, chair of Positive Revenue Options (PRO), the
pro business mixed-drink referendum committee that includes the
Chatham County Chamber of Commerce, and I had contacted the
League of Women Voters some time back to see if the League would
host a public forum/debate on the referendum. With all the false
rumors and fears we had heard expressed by both  we felt it was
important that the public judge for iself the factual support for
the views of the supporters and opponents of this referendum. The
League agreed to host but could not find an opponent willing to
debate us in public. I also understand when the local newspaper
were writing stories on the referendum they had a hard time
finding opponents willing to speak. We even posted our
frustration on this chatlist and none of the chatlist readers
came forward to debate us in public, including "Anna Lyst."

To be blunt about anonymous poster "Anna Lyst."  He or she is
simple a unprincipled "coward."  If you want to be part of a
public debate about issues in Chatham then you should at least be
willing to come forward publicly and make positive arguments for
your position, not rely on pornographic spoofs.

As to the substance, PRO has on several occasions pointed out the
false fear about honky-tonks joints being located in rural
communities or quiet neighborhoods. If Chatham were to have such
joints they would already be there with the less expensive beer
and wine licenses currently available. Before a mixed-beverage
license is allowed, the State ABC Board requires criminal and
background checks on owners, managers and bartenders. Thirty per
cent of the total sales must be from food. The license is $1,000
a year, in addition to the $400 each for beer and wine. And local
governments can essentially veto a location of such a restaurant
in a community by demonstrating that  it will be "detrimental" to
its character and safety.

Beyond these regulations, those areas of the county that are
zoned have a further protection because most of the zoning in
rural areas in residential-agriculture and it would require a
rezoning to commercial to locate a restaurant there. The county
commissioners have pretty much unfettered authority to deny or
grant a rezoning request. Residents living in unzoned areas of
the county may want to petition the commissioners now for zoning.

Finally, I believe this damaging and disgusting anonymous post is
a perfect example why anonymous posts should not be allowed on
the Chatlist. They allow irresponsible posters such as "Anna
 Lyst" to broadcast false facts and rumors and to personally
attack people without being held accountable.

Jeffrey Starkweather
PRO Campaign Advisor
Chatham County Economic Development Board

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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 23:28:54 EDT
Subject: p.t.porch railing balusters (pickets) for sale

58 pc - 1 7/8" x 1 7/8" turned balusters; all PT to .40 spec; 36" in  
length; never been used. They were an over order. $116.00 takes the lot. These  
are large profile, high quality. 40% discount. Come and get  'em.

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Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 12:16:12 +0000
Subject: Announcement: Janet Resnik Pottery, Spring Kiln Opening

SUNDAY, May 3, 1-6 P.M.


     Janet Resnik is famous for her affordable functional stoneware. Her plates, mugs, bowls, pitchers and platters feature impressionistic landscape, cat and Iris designs. Surrounded by the trees, flowers and animals which she interprets on her pots, Janet has been making pottery in Chatham County outside of Chapel Hill for over 30 years. She is a member of the Chatham Artists Guild and on the Chatham Studio Tour.
Dmitri Resnik is a nationally known blues musician who returned to this area after 11 years in New Orleans. His reasonably priced hand blown and sculpted glass includes vases, pitchers, paperweights, and figurative sculptures.. He is a member of the Chatham Artists Guild and on the Chatham Studio Tour.

From Chapel Hill take the Jones Ferry Road 7 miles to Frosty's Trading Post, turn right onto Crawford Dairy Road, go two miles, and then turn right onto Collins Mountain Road. Pottery is at the first house on right.

From Pittsboro: NC 87 North for 8 miles. Right onto Chicken Br. Rd. at historical marker "Captain Johnston Blakely". Continue 4 miles to T-intersection. Left onto Crawford Dairy Rd. Right 1 mile later onto Collins Mt. Rd. First house on right.

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Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 08:23:11 -0400
From: "jaime*chandra"
Subject: Chiropractor Reccomendations + Try Massage!

Hi Connie,

I see two chiropractors in Chatham County that have helped me tremendously
with no pressure of a long/costly treatment plan.

Mindy Bradshaw - Back Solutions in Cole Park Plaza :
Roxanne Hollander - Integrative Functional Medicine near the Chatham
Marketplace :

I first started going to chiropractors at age 16 after a car accident. The
first two I saw did have the "treatment plan" method which was costly though
it did help me to some degree. In my early 20's, I was still suffering from
back pain & migranes. I found the most relief through myofascial massage and
a regular stretching practice. So much so, that I chose to make massage
therapy and yoga my new carreers.

Receiving massage prior to a chiropractic adjustment helps the bones adjust
easier because the muscles are relaxed. It also helps the adjustment to
"stay" because tight muscles aren't immedieately yanking the bones back out
of place.

~Jaime Chandra Kozlowski

Licensed Massage & Bodywork Therapist #7777
Registered Yoga Teacher
c. 919.200.9569

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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:43:48 -0400
Subject: Looking for Chiropractor

Does anyone have a chiropractor that they really like and trust?? I've never
been to one?but I have some minor hip/back pain that I think could benefit
from seeing one.? I just don't want to do more harm than good or get talked
into more sessions than what I need. Personal recommendations would be
appreciated!? thanks, Connie

--------------------  22  --------------------
Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 09:52:40 -0400
From: Cindy Lodestro
Subject: Re: Requested Info for Lawyers

I just wanted to thank everyone in this terrific community for the many
recommendations I received for my request on attorneys for speeding
tickets.  They were all very helpful and supportive.
thanks again,

--------------------  23  --------------------
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 10:44:55 -0400
From: "Darcey Moore"
Subject: Northwood JV and Varsity Soccer Thursday night

JV Soccer finished the season in the best possible way last night, with
a 2-0 win over Cedar Ridge.  The girls played their best soccer so far,
despite being down 4 players, including a starter and their usual goal
keeper.  Maggie Denny did a terrific job for the Chargers in the goal,
exhibiting some of her basketball talent on a terrific save.  Hannah
Lawrence and Megan Perez both had goals, after following shots and
hitting rebounds.  Tasha Rothenberger also had a great night, and, once
again, helped the team from a variety of positions.

The girls got off to a slow start Thursday night and trailed Cedar Ridge
1-0 after fifteen minutes of play, but came back to take a 6-1 win. Not
quite as intense and spirited as Wednesday night, but a win none the
less. I think we burned up most of the fuel in our tanks vs Carrboro.
TGIF, no game, no practice. Goals were scored by Anna Elkins with two,
Annie Cleaver with two, Alex Hallows and Casey Norris with one each.
Assists were tallied by Norris with two, Elkins and Cleaver with one
each, Liana Lucier and Emily Brooks with one each. Freshman Livy Griffin
was our sub in the net tonight for Sara McCaw (out with a mild
concussion) and did a wonderful job recording seven saves.  Our sweeper,
Danielle Suprick had another solid night in the back. The team is now
9-3-2 with three games next week. Home Monday and Wednesday and away
Thursday. A good week was had by all.

--------------------  24  --------------------
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 10:47:49 -0400
From: Ann Kaiyala
Subject: Area Charter School Seeking Adult Guineas for Green Tick Control

Does any one have some adult guineas they'd like to relocate?  Area charter
school with beautiful habitat would like to have its own flock of guineas
for green tick control.  Contact for details to
sell or donate fowl to a loving new home!

--------------------  25  --------------------
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 10:49:32 -0400
From: Tami Schwerin
Subject: volunteers needed for 5K race/May 9th

We need about 10 more volunteers to help give out water, oranges and  
direct runners on May 9th on the Briar Chapel route...

Please contact us if you are an early riser!
(need you there around 7:00am!)

For information:

Tami Schwerin
local food~renewable energy~community

--------------------  26  --------------------
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 11:18:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Sharon Thomas
Subject: Randy Voller's Post

Mr. Voller - Do you have a problem with people having a different opinion than you?  

Today, I read a post in  the Chatlist that a gentlemans club is waiting to come to Chatham County if this passes. Is this the way to better the quality of life in Chatham County? Believe it or not, there are people who object to Liquor by the Drink and the effects that it will have .


Sharon Thomas

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:42:48 -0400
From: Randy Voller  
Subject: Official Opposition has surfaced to the "mixed beverage referendum in Chatham County

Apparently the Sandy Creek Creek Baptist Association Against Liquor by the
Drink formed on April 24, 2009 and today ( 4/29/09 ) filed with the Chatham
County Board of Elections.

The treasurer is Steve Moore and the mailing address is 2430 Silk Hope Gums
Spring Road, Pittsboro, NC 27312.
The phone number listed is 919-542-4974

Best Regards,
Mayor Randy Voller, Chair of Positive Revenue Options

--------------------  27  --------------------
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 11:41:28 -0400
From: Lynn Richardson
Subject: we think this is a hoax

Sharon and others, an associate in my office, Chatham County Planning Department, has looked into this posting and we think this is a hoax.  I suppose it could become a reality in the future that Chatham County or the Town of Pittsboro could receive an application such as this, but this posting seems to be bogus.  Have a good day,  Lynn Richardson

--------------------  28  --------------------
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 11:49:33 -0400
From: "Darcey Moore"
Subject: Northwood JV Baseball Defeats Cedar Ridge 4-3 Thursday night

The JV Baseball team defeated Cedar Ridge 4-3 Th. night in a close
conference battle. Andrew Jones pitched 5 strong innings allowing only 3
runs on 3 hits to pick up the victory. Conner Lawrence pitched 2 innings
and allowed no runs, no hits, and struck out 2 k's. Andrew Jones had a
hit and 2 RBIs while Evan Dixon, John Wieland, and Jacobi Harris all had
one hit on the night. Jacobi Harris's bunt for a hit helped lead to Paul
Candelori scoring the winning run on a passed ball. Conner Lawrence and
Bryant Hackney had two key sacrifice bunts on the night. Chris Runyan
played well behind the plate and Matt Gould played great defense at
second base.

--------------------  29  --------------------
Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 12:26:58 -0400
From: Cindy Moore
Subject: that one is NOT a hoax

The one about the gentleman's club may be a hoax

but did everyone read on down about the comments from Mayor Voller and
listing Steve's name?????
that one is NOT a hoax and has had A LOT of comments......not all
supportive :(


--------------------  30  --------------------
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 15:50:59 -0400
From: Jeff Lane
Subject: Chiropractor

My wife and I have been going to New Branch Chiropractic for a few
months now and I am quite happy with them.

I started out after a wreck and the effect has been so good that I
even sleep better at night and don't wake up stiff and sore in the

I'd certainly recommend New Branch... They're just a few doors down
from the Carolina Brewery up by Lowes.


--------------------  31  --------------------
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 16:28:37 -0400
From: daryl walker
Subject: Yoga Nidra Workshop Series

Chathamites who love yoga and /or meditation will find of interest the upcoming Yoga Nidra Workshop series taught by experienced yoga teacher, Anna Williamson.  Yoga Nidra is a transformative practice of meditation and can ease stress, heal trauma, and encourage self-inquiry. Sessions run on Sundays, May 3, 10, June 7, 14 from 5-7 pm. Each costs $20 You may attend one or all. Please see  (click class schedules/workshops)for detailed information on each session and to reserve your spot -

or call the studio (near Southpoint) at 919-361-0104.

--------------------  32  --------------------
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 20:49:01 +0000
From: Ann Watson
Subject: A message from the Chatham Citizen Corps Council

File of Life

This safety suggestion has nothing to do with the current swine flu outbreak, but it is a practice that the Chatham Citizen Corps Council recommends to residents as a prudent measure year round.

The File of Life program was officially rolled out at the April 28 2007 Are You Ready? Fair.  Over 2000 Kits have been given away at 20 sites including Medical Offices, Council on Aging, EMS , Health Department, community college, Churches, and places of employment.  The Program was underwritten by Safe Communities, and the Kits cost the Council one dollar a piece.  

Each kit contains a medical information form, a plastic magnetic sleeve for the fridge, and a sticker for the front door to alert emergency medical services that the resident has the file of life form inside.  The purpose of these kits is to have critical medical information on-hand.  In the event of an emergency, a patient may be unable to communicate key information such as allergies or who their preferred medical provider is.  The File of Life can be taken with the patient or provider to the hospital emergency room.  File of Life would also be useful to take to emergency shelters during disaster response.

This downloadable copy comes without the red plastic sleeve, the front door sticker, and the magnet.  However, the information entered on this form could save your life.  So please download it, enter your information, and we hope you never have to use it.

Go to and download a copy for yourself and family members.  Be safe.

--------------------  33  --------------------
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 17:01:46 -0400
From: "Alamance Baha'i"
Subject: Interfaith Devotional Meeting May 3rd Eli Whitney

The Baha'i Community of Alamance County is sponsoring Interfaith Devotional
Meetings on the first Sunday evening of every month from 7-8 pm at the Upper
Chatham Lower Alamance Community Center in Eli Whitney. You are cordially
invited to attend. Please feel free to bring readings to share from your
faith. Refreshments will be served.
"Thy heart is My home; santify it for My descent.  Thy spirit is My place of
revelation; cleanse it for My manifestation."
- Baha'i Writings

The Upper Chatham Lower Alamance Community Center is located about 20
minutes west of Chapel Hill.

The address is 8874 S. NC-87, Graham NC 27253 (shows up on Google Map).
Here are directions:
From Pittsboro, go north on HIghway 87 for 12 miles.  The UCLACC is on the
right side at Perry Rd. (2 miles before intersection of Greensboro Chapel
Hill Rd. and 87).

From Chapel Hill, go west on the Highway 54 bypass and exit at Jones Ferry
Rd. At Jones Ferry Rd go west, away from town, and turn right onto Old
Greensboro Rd. Take this road (it becomes Greensboro-Chapel Hill Rd) for
about 15 minutes to the flashing light in Eli Whitney. At that intersection,
turn left onto Highway 87. Go for about two miles. The UCLACC is on the left
side at Perry Rd.
If you need directions from other areas, or more information, please call
Thank you,

--------------------  34  --------------------
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 21:21:51 -0400
From: "Gene"
Subject: My Take on Using "Real Names"

The discussion about using "real names" on the chatlist [and bulletin board] comes up every several years (usually
around election time).

Please don't underestimate the chatlist [and bulletin board] member.  Chatlist [and bulletin board] members are
intelligent enough to evaluate the source of an anonymous writing.  They can see it is anonymous.  They can evaluate its
anonymity along with its message, as long as they are permitted, as they should be, to read that message.  And then,
once they have done so, it is for them to decide what is "responsible," what is valuable, and what is truth.

Protecting anonymity is necessary to induce some authors to contribute valuable information to the marketplace of ideas.

Anonymous authors historically have made contributions to the "progress of mankind".  There are benign reasons that an
author may choose to remain anonymous: fear of retaliation or reprisal, the desire to avoid social ostracism, the wish
to protect privacy, or the fear that the audience's biases will distort the meaning of the work.  

"Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority" without which public discourse would certainly suffer.  

An author's decision to remain anonymous is an exercise of autonomy over choice of content, and "an author generally is
free to decide whether or not to disclose his or her true identity." The decision to remain anonymous is an editorial
judgment like any other, which makes choosing to omit one's name no different than choosing to omit an opposing

Speakers may use the shield of anonymity for a variety of purposes, only some of which may be consistent with the public
good; at the same time, audiences may not accord anonymous speech as much value as attributed speech.

"The First Amendment, as interpreted by the United States Supreme Court, confers upon authors a right to speak
anonymously or pseudonymously, even when this right interferes with audiences' attempts to decode their messages."

From the Lidsky and Cotter paper -

Judge Learned Hand once famously wrote that "the First Amendment . . . presupposes that right conclusions are more
likely to be gathered out of a multitude of tongues, than through any kind of authoritative selection.  To many this is,
and always will be, folly; but we have staked upon it our all."   As Judge Hand recognized, democracy rests on our faith
in citizens' ability to decide for themselves where truth lies in public discourse.

Gene Galin
Chatlist Moderator


From: Jeffrey Starkweather []
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 8:59 AM
To: Gene
Subject: Have you checked out the validity of this post
Importance: High

Gene: Did you verify that this press release was real? If it isn't a actual press release then this poster should be
exposed for who he or she is and banned for life from the chatlist. Such a fake post is sickening and beyond the pale.
Before I write something in response I would like to know what is being done to stop these sorts of outrageous posts.
If this is what is appears to be - a made up press release specifically designed to scare and deceive people - then this
is another demonstration why no should be able to post anonymously on the chatlist. This is the opposite of funny and
deserves discussion on the chatlist itself about continuing to allow anonymous postings

Jeffrey Starkweather

Chatham County Economic Development Corporation Board
Attorney at Law
919 417 0969

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