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Chatham Chatlist #3381 PDF Print E-mail
Written by Gene Galin   
Sunday, 29 March 2009

This digest contains the following messages:

  1. tax rate and them and us  
         by: Mark Stinson
  2. Locals vs. newcomers  
         by: Phyllis Thomas
  3. Dryer service  
         by: Phyllis Thomas
  4. Natives v. Newcomers  
         by: Scotty Young
  5. Annual Women's Day  
         by: Wiley, Avis avis_wi...@DENTISTRY.UNC.EDU
  6. Northwood Lady Chargers Varsity Softball  
         by: Darcey Moore
  7. Congratulations to All Conference Northwood Basketball Players  
         by: Darcey Moore
  8. thanks for recommending piano tuner  
         by: laine lipson
  9. Program for Women at the HD  
         by: C
  10. Protecting the Haw River Watershed  
         by: Tony Blake
  11. Found dog  
         by: Frankenfield, Kimmee
  12. first shot  
         by: Brad Page
  13. Benefit for Moncure Strikers  
         by: Margaret Wurth
  14. Office Asst position at Jordan Lake  
         by: Ann Hudak
  15. Found dog - black lab mix 5 mi N on Hwy 87  
         by: French Connections
  16. Lost Pup  
         by: Rachel Priestley
  17. Easter Presentation at PBC - community invited!  
         by: Kelly Butler
  18. Forest Herbicide Workshop rescheduled from April 2 to May 7  
         by: Glenn Woolard
  19. Second Bloom Needs Bags  
         by: second bloom
  20. Re: Chatham Chatlist #3380  
         by: Mark Stinson
  21. Re: Chatham Chatlist #3380  

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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 00:03:55 -0500
From: "Mark Stinson"
Subject: tax rate and them and us

  I am in agreement over the discussion of natives and newcomers . I don't resent anyone wanting to live here . Its hard to explain the journey I have taken since I suggested we split the county in half letting the northern part overpopulate and dig their own pit whilst leaving the rest of us alone . Its true resistance to change is futile . With this in mind I realized the true blame for our current mess was past commissioners and others that lined their pockets at the tax payers expense . I complained about my water and started a process of learning how we were promised a fire hydrant and never received one after forking out money for this wonderful county water . The reason we didn't get a fire hydrant and many others in rural parts of this county is that instead of a 6 inch minimal line to support a hydrant we got a 2 inch line instead . The county was billed for a 6 inch line and paid for a 6 inch line . This practice was used to make contractors and others $$$$ while screwing us all in the long run . I tried to find out who put the water line in on this road and I was told by the Chatham water dept  ( The county has no record or can find no record of who did this ) . I have an opinion that the records of who placed the lines and how the contracts were given were intentionally lost to cover up the massive amount of money stolen from county taxpayers . I expect this practice was used in other county agencies in the past as well .
  With that as an example its time we as a group of tax paying citizens demand several things from our current commissioners . They need to do more to make Chatham business friendly .We need the jobs and additional tax revenue that comes with good solid business's .  They need to drop the tax rate to neutralize the new tax values so those that have worked hard to make this place home can afford to live here . and they need to look at ways to improve county operations to make them more efficient .I have seen  many ways to keep regular hours for employees and cut expenses  by other counties to offset the lost tax revenue in this recession I'm sure we could do it too.   We voted out and cleaned out the sheriffs department and former government . Things have improved but there are still those individuals entrenched in county government that have outlasted their usefulness while being self serving digging us all in a pit . Just like the recent questions about pcp's dumped along side roads here . There are a multitude of secrets buried in the past administration . I feel for me to believe the current commissioners are truly serving the taxpayers it would take a drop in the tax rate by them to indicate their desire to listen to our justified grievances . It takes my entire income for one month to pay our property taxes. There are many registered voters who are on fixed income who will be in tax trouble if something isn't done soon . I would really like to see us as a group of people , not natives and newcomers ,, unite to apply pressure to make things better for all of us . I would love to have some input from all of you on how we can do this . If we don't act soon many of us will no longer be able to afford to live in the highly taxed environment we now call home .  Goodnite  Mark :)

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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 06:30:25 -0400
From: Phyllis Thomas
Subject: Locals vs. newcomers

    Cathy Holt said it all.  We all live here and need to get along.
I've been here my whole life, but at one time, everyone was a newcomer.
And newcomers, all the old-timers are not staid and unbendable.

    It's time to stop beating this dead horse.

Phyllis Thomas

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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 06:34:47 -0400
From: Phyllis Thomas
Subject: Dryer service

     Try Archie Hackney at Pittsboro Appliance.  He's a great guy and
will not try to rip you off.  He also has great prices on all the
appliances that he sells.


--------------------  4  --------------------
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 07:55:14 -0400
From: Scotty Young
Subject: Natives v. Newcomers

 I want to thank Matt for his deep wisdom (and others who have not
bought into the us against them paradigm) on this subject.
  *  So, what's the truth? Are newcomers trying to change Chatham or
keep it the same? Are Chatham natives trying to preserve "their" Chatham
or do they want it to change?** My guess is that the truth lies
somewhere in the middle. And the best way to get it at is to stop trying
to make generalizations about what an entire group of people believes. *
    My idea is that we can choose to create our county/family as we see
fit.  What if we were to view our county as our home and all of the
people in it as our family. Then apply the same kinds of strategies for
creating a loving, compassionate, constructive family scenario that we
would do in our family situations. These strategies might include,  
creating open honest dialog with other family members knowing that we
have an incredible diversity of ideologies and attitudes within our
county family. Just like in any family organization we will want to
create a shared vision that honors and takes into account any and all
view points that exist in our family structure.
     Whoa that sounds mighty difficult...... we know it is..........
shall we dare to ask the questions of ourselves, what do we want here
for our county? Are we willing to acknowledge and tolerate other ideas
and points of view to create a family that doesn't spend its time
bickering and arguing, but coming together to learn from and grow with
each other.
    Brother Scotty

--------------------  5  --------------------
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 08:38:09 -0400
From: "Wiley, Avis" avis_wi...@DENTISTRY.UNC.EDU
Subject: Annual Women's Day

Pittsboro Church of God on Old 87 Milliken Rd will celebrate their Women
Day on Sunday, April 5th at 11:00am.  The speaker will be Reverend Tracy
Curry Brooks of High Point, NC.  The theme is "Women Touched by God's
Grace".  All women are asked to wear white.  Dinner will be served.   =20


Avis Wiley-Bell, Office Assistant

Dental Faculty Practice

101 Brauer Hall CB 7450

Chapel Hill, NC 27599

(919)966-1062 x 304

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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 08:58:58 -0400
From: "Darcey Moore"
Subject: Northwood Lady Chargers Varsity Softball

Varsity Softball Defeats NCSSM 13-2

The Lady Chargers Varsity Softball team defeated the North Carolina
School of Science and Math in 5 innings due to the mercy rule Tuesday
night 13-2. Lauren Martin was the winning pitcher as she pitched four
strong innings before Carrie Webster closed the game out with two strike
outs en route to three up and three down in the top of the fifth. Carrie
Webster also led the Lady Chargers at the plate as she went 3 for 4 with
two doubles, a single, and scored two runs. Padgett Harrington, Kaitlyn
Briggs, and Christa Surles also collected two hits on the night. Lauren
Oldham collected one hit and tied for the team lead with three runs
scored along with Christa Surles. Keeley Skinner had one hit and scored
a run, while Desiree Medina collected the other Lady Charger hit on the
evening. The Lady Chargers game with North Moore on Wednesday night was
rained out. A reminder the Lady Charger Softball Classic is next weekend
on Saturday April 4 here at Northwood High School.

--------------------  7  --------------------
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 10:19:32 -0400
From: "Darcey Moore"
Subject: Congratulations to All Conference Northwood Basketball Players

Congratulations to All Conference Basketball Players

Congratulations to the following Northwood High School students that
were named to the Mid State 2A All Conference Basketball Teams for the
2008-09 seasons that just completed. Students earning All-Conference for
Boys Basketball included:

Ridge Smith and Jake Houck

and students earning All Conference for Girls Basketball included:

Rashmi Vanhook and Casey Norris.

Congratulations to these student-athletes for their success on the court
this season.

--------------------  8  --------------------
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 11:52:08 -0400
From: laine lipson
Subject: thanks for recommending piano tuner

Several weeks ago, I asked the Chatlist readers for a recommendation  
for a piano tuner.  Thanks to Ginger Earle for telling me about  
Barnabas Mentar.  Not only did he stay three hours  tuning my piano  
and re-gluing some missing ivories, but he thoroughly entertained me  
with his piano playing when he was finished.  I've never heard my  
grandmother's piano sound so good!

He is out of Raleigh but travels all over the state.    His phone  
number is (919) 779-3075.  Please consider him for your next tune-up.

laine lipson

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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:23:06 -0400
From: C
Subject: Program for Women at the HD

I am posting this for the ladies at the health dept who are running a program for women to get free/low cost pelvic exams and mammograms
The program is called BCCCP-Breast and Cervical Cancer Control Program.
Pap smears, pelvic exams, clinical breast exams and mammograms are offered at low or no cost. The mammogram is free, and I was charged less than $20, when I got my pap smear done.

Who is eligible for BCCCP?
Women 40-64 old, have no insurance, Medicare/Medicaid, some women 18-39 may qualify.

All you have to be is a resident of Chatham County, bring proof of income, picture ID and proof of residence.

Please call Jo Deaton-Duckworth or Reta White at


I am posting it for them, so please dont email me. This is a great opportunity to get services that can be expensive for those of us without insurance.

--------------------  10  --------------------
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:35:06 -0400
From: "Tony Blake"
Subject: Protecting the Haw River Watershed

Hi folks,

I am happy to hear about the environmental work of the county
commissioners in Chatham County. To support that work, we in
southwestern Orange County want to make you aware of concern that the
Haw River Watershed in Orange County has never been given protected or
critical watershed status. We are working to achieve that status and
appreciate any help or support.

This watershed status has recently come to be a concern because of the
efforts to put an airport in our part of the county. Now Orange County
itself, against their own zoning regulations, is poised to build an
industrial waste transfer facility in the Haw River watershed. The
facility would be sited adjacent to active wetlands that border Collins
Creek, which is a tributary to the Haw. The land that is being pursued
does not perk, so run-off into this tributary is above normal.
Additional truck traffic and oil runoff, as well as overflows from
whatever water pollution remediation is constructed (still an unknown as
there is no water and sewer service available) are all likely additional
sources of groundwater contaminants.  

Orange County commissioners and the SWAB do not like the site any more
than we do, but committed to this path in December because of a skewed
selection process and path of least resistance politics. Fortunately,
there have been numerous delays on the purchase and our community group
(Orange County Voice) has been offering viable options - including using
local waste vendors until a reasonable site is found near adequate
industrial infrastructure.

If you share our concern about the quality of our water we encourage you
to contact the Orange County Commissioners and let them know.

For more information on the waste transfer station, including Orange
County's environmental report and expert responses, go to:

Tony Blake

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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:31:26 -0400
From: "Frankenfield, Kimmee"
Subject: Found dog

We found a dog at the intersection of 15-501 and Andrews Store rd, but
the Exxon gas station.  She is small (about 20 lbs) and is wearing a
collar with no tags.  Please call 410-925-1280 or 850-420-2087 with
description if she belongs to you!

Thank you!

Fitch Creations, Inc.

Fearrington Village


--------------------  12  --------------------
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:55:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brad Page
Subject: first shot

Whenever someone says, "Tell me about yourself," I want to revert to the old habit of telling a few war stories. At this age, almost 70, the habit is old and the stories are well-honed lies that serve my ego and not much else..

So, instead,  here's what I do:

Carpentry, 30 years. Auto mechanics since I was about 10. Zen Buddhism at the N.C. Zen Center for about 18 years. People also ask, "Where you from?" which is silly if you think about it but here's the programmed answer: California, Arizona, North Carolina since 1967 and still working on my y'all's. Living on social security and earn a few dollars extra to make ends meet. I sail when I have the boat (I'm bartering out with a lady for a 14' Force 5 and it screams on a breeze). I play classical guitar when I'm willing to practice up a piece to where it sounds acceptable. Probably like most folks I struggle with an angry internal monologue after 8 years of the incompetence of W. I bike but because of mild congestive heart failure I have to get out before it gets too hot in the summer and in the winter work out daily on a Cyclops Cycle Trainer (I would be lying if I said 'always'). I like to play Fighter Ace online. I study histories of the World Wars and am presently working through a couple of 25 lb. books on the subject one of which is titled "The Pity of War" by Niall Ferguson. The TV died 3 years ago. I can't tell you where it is in the landfill but I can say it had hung around way too long and I gave it too many of my living hours from 1956 to 2006. Films are what I grew up with. Every so often one comes along that's worth my time but they have to climb a tall mountain to get 90 minutes of my time these days. My all time favorite is "Rounders".  I also find myself saying "these days" a lot these days.

Chatham County is a lot like the county in Northern Arizona in the town of Williams (pop. 2800) where I was raised in the important years between ages 9 and 18. God lives there in a meadow among the aspens on Bill Williams Mountain. We called it God's Country when we were living in God's Country. Chatham County assuages my sense of loss and distance. Pittsboro is about heart-sized, the safe place for small children to play on warm summer nights. I run into people who know me who I've never met. That's Pittsboro.

Here's some poetry which changes with the days and weeks:

Lost & Found
We stand together heads bowed and low.
She whispers, husky, urgent.
Her warm, fresh breath shushes my cheek.
I know our moment this way,
speechless in her presence.
Our space is perfect, bridged by soft air.
I want to touch  her.
My heart, scarred, frightened over time,
beats and flees down the known path.
Safe and empty and alone.  

Brad Page

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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:47:14 -0400
From: "Margaret Wurth"
Subject: Benefit for Moncure Strikers

Support the courageous workers of Moncure Plywood! Attend a Benefit and
Auction at the General Store Café in Pittsboro, Wednesday April 1, 6:00 –
9:00 PM. The strikers need your support. Stand up for justice and human

For nine months, over 100 workers have been holding a 24-hours-a-day strike
outside the Moncure Plywood plant in Moncure, after they resisted new
contracts that would have required a mandatory 60-hour work week, a 300%
increase in health insurance premiums, and the loss of seniority rights.

In spite of strong worker objections to these provisions, the company has
refused to negotiate, and workers, members of International Association of
Machinists Local W369, now spend their days and nights on the picket line in
front of the plant in defense of their livelihood and principles. Moncure
Plywood and its parent company, Atlas Holdings, refuse to negotiate with the
strikers and have hired permanent replacements for these employees.

The strike is multi-racial and matches the demographics of the workers at
the plant prior to the strike: largely African American, with some Latinos,
and a handful of whites. Many of the workers have been at the plant for over
twenty and thirty years.  The union is providing $150 a week to the strikers
to help pay for mortgages and rent, health care and household expenses, but
in these tough economic times, the strikers are struggling to make ends

Come to the Benefit and Auction at the General Store to help the strikers
get the financial support they need. Enjoy a baked chicken dinner and
entertainment from the Raging Grannies and the Moncure Strikers Chorus. Gary
Phillips will auction off original artwork from Chatham County artists,
including a painting by Clyde Jones, and a photograph by Anna Blackshaw.
Other auction items include a Tommy Edwards CD, a two-year subscription to
The Sun Magazine, four hand-painted lithographs of rural California, a
complimentary in-home consultation by a local decorator, and more!

Wednesday April 1, 6 – 9 PM, General Store Café, Pittsboro. Tickets: $15,
$10 for students

For more information, contact Barb Alotis at or Margaret
Wurth at

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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:05:39 -0400
From: Ann Hudak
Subject: Office Asst position at Jordan Lake

When I read this post on Friday, I was appalled that a North Carolina STATE job would ask an employee to work FORTY HOURS A WEEK with NO benefits!!! Is this LEGAL?

So the State decides to make it an ELEVEN month job instead of a TWELVE month job just so they don't have to pay for benefits? Outrageous and shameful!!!

Forty hours of work each week at any other job qualifies for benefits. How is someone supposed to support their family working for the piddling sum of $7.20 per hour BEFORE DEDUCTIONS, with NO benefits to protect themselves or their family? To ME, once again, this is outrageous and shameful on the part of the STATE!


-------------------- 18 --------------------
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:46:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: megan lynch
Subject: Office assistant position at Jordan Lake State Recreation Area

The park office at Jordan Lake State Recreation Area is
looking for an office assistant. It is a “temporary† job. That means it will
last for 11 months at a time, so no benefits are attached. It will be 40 hours
a week and include all weekends. Pay is  $ 7.20 an hour.

Applications may be downloaded at:Â

Please mail (or bring)Â  applications to:Â  Jordan Lake
280 State Park Rd., Apex, NC  27523-8008

Contact our office at 919-362-0586 Ext. 0 if you would like us to mail you an
application or if you need more information

--------------------  15  --------------------
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:33:44 -0400
From: French Connections
Subject: Found dog - black lab mix 5 mi N on Hwy 87

Young energetic black lab mix that seems very used to people, cats,
riding in cars and being in a house found our home on Thursday
afternoon, off Hwy 87 about 5 miles north of town. We would love to
reunite it with it's owner! For info call 545-9296 (w) or 542-2110 (h).


--------------------  16  --------------------
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:02:53 -0400
From: Rachel Priestley
Subject: Lost Pup

A week or so ago we had a Rottie puppy (3 months old or so) wander into our
yard.  He got away before we were able to catch him, and we've been looking
for him ever since.  I've called the shelter and all the local vets.  Just
wondered if anyone has seen him.

Rachel Guthrie-Priestley

Piglet sidled up to Pooh from behind.
"Pooh!" he whispered.
"Yes, Piglet?"
"Nothing," said Piglet, taking Pooh's paw. "I just wanted to be sure of

--------------------  17  --------------------
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:08:26 -0400
From: Kelly Butler
Subject: Easter Presentation at PBC - community invited!

Pittsboro Baptist Church invites the community to its Easter  
Presentation on April 10-11, 2009 at 7:00 p.m. in the sanctuary,  
including performances by the sanctuary choir, drama team, and Kidz of  
Faith choir.  PBC is located at 121 W. Salisbury Street, downtown  
Pittsboro.  For more information, please call the Church Office at  

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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:27:09 -0400
From: Glenn Woolard
Subject: Forest Herbicide Workshop rescheduled from April 2 to May 7

Forest Herbicide Workshop --- Thursday --- May 7, 2009

Due to low enrollment, the forest herbicide workshop has been rescheduled from April 2 to May 7.  The workshop will be on Thursday night, May 7, from 6:30 to 9:00 pm.  A light barbecue supper will be served at 6:30 pm and the program will start at 7:00 pm.  The workshop will be in the auditorium downstairs in the County Agriculture Building in Pittsboro.  The workshop is being conducted by the Chatham County Center of the North Carolina Cooperative Extension Service.

James Jeuck, Forestry Extension Associate at North Carolina State University, will present part one on steps to better forest health.  The presentation will include understanding site productivity and forest competition, vegetative control in forest operations, pine versus hardwood management, and invasive and weed species in the Piedmont including trees, shrubs, vines, grasses and herbs.

Alan "Bo" Burns, BASF Vegetation Specialist, with BASF Chemical Company will present part two on forest herbicide strategies for private forest landowners.  The presentation will include where and when should herbicides be used, types of applications, herbicides and habitat management, general vegetation management, and products available for forest landowner use.

Chris Morris with Haw Branch Forestry Services, Jeff Tapley with Crop Production Services, and Daniel Reynolds with Woodland Vegetation Management will be on a panel to describe their forestry services and answer landowner questions.  Other forest services businesses in the area are invited to participate.

Two hours of pesticide recertification credits have been approved for subclasses G, N, D, and X.

The registration fee will be $5.00 per person in advance or at the door.  Please call Jane Tripp, Extension Secretary, at 542-8202 to pre-register so we can make plans for the meal.  The meal is partially sponsored by BASF Chemical Company. The fee includes workshop materials, advertising, refreshments, and a light barbecue supper.  Make checks payable to: Chatham County Cooperative Extension.  Mail to: Cooperative Extension, PO Box 279, Pittsboro, NC 27312-0279.

You can also register at the Chatham County Extension Center at the County Agriculture Building in Pittsboro.  Office hours are Monday-Friday 8 a.m. to 5 p.m.

For more details, call Glenn Woolard, County Extension Director, at 919-542-8202, email to or visit our web site at
North Carolina State University and North Carolina A&T State University commit themselves to positive action to secure equal opportunity regardless of race, color, creed, national origin, religion, sex, age, veteran status or disability. In addition, the two Universities welcome all persons without regard to sexual orientation. For accommodations for persons with disabilities, contact Glenn Woolard at 919-542-8202, no later than five business days before the event.

Glenn Woolard
County Extension Director
Chatham County Center
N.C. Cooperative Extension

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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:51:28 -0500
From: "second bloom"
Subject: Second Bloom Needs Bags

Second Bloom is in dire need of shopping bags. Please donate--big, small, paper, and plastic welcomed.  We're located at 68 Hillsboro St, Pittsboro, NC 27312.

Thank you

Nan Baldauf
Manager - Second Bloom Thrift Shop
Family Violence and Rape Crisis Services of Chatham County
PO Box 1105
68 Hillsboro Street
Pittsboro, NC  27312
Tuesday-Saturday 10-5

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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:25:46 -0500
From: "Mark Stinson"
Subject: Re: Chatham Chatlist #3380

I have plenty thats seasoned ,, but it needs to be cut and split ,, its free :) Let me know if your interested ,, thanks Mark

--------------------  21  --------------------
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:18:48 -0400
From: George Faget
Subject: Re: Chatham Chatlist #3380

JORDAN LAKE MUSIC FESTIVAL,  Antique Car Show & Music Festival, Happening
this May 2nd & 3rd from 11-7 PM ( Mark Your Calenders)   Bring Lawn Chairs,
Sunglasses, Family & Friends. (they will be glad you did!)

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