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Chatham Chatlist #3377 PDF Print E-mail
Written by Gene Galin   
Tuesday, 24 March 2009

This digest contains the following messages:

  1. Septic System Maintenance  
         by: Don Mercz <>
  2. Can I demo your shed?  
         by: tony mayer <>
  3. Locals?  
         by: David Smith <>
  4. Sigh... locals again...  
         by:  <>
  5. Re: Chatham Chatlist #3376  
         by: Cathy Holt <>
  6. Farm Show and Tell March 30  
         by: Debbie Roos <>
  7. Re: Changing an ecosystem can destroy it - locals aren't "ignorant"  
         by: CrYpTiK <>
  8. Procession for the Future coming to Pittsboro  
         by: Heuer, John (Chair Emeritus, Employee Forum) <>
  9. looking for Kelly Evans  
         by: Angelina <>
  10. Book Sale this week to benefit library!  
         by: Jim and Beverly Wiggins <>
  11. TORERO'S  Reminder  
         by: W,M&M <>
  12. Supporting Our Chatham Neighbors  
         by:  <>
  13. Debut  
         by: Forrest Greenslade <>
  14. HD Video clip from Northwood's "Into the Woods" Sunday matinee  
         by: Gene <>
  15. Generator Repair  
         by:  <>
  16. General Store's music posts  
         by: Gene <>

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 07:18:22 -0400
From: "Don Mercz" <>
Subject: Septic System Maintenance

Can anyone recommend a reliable septic system maintenance company?

--------------------  2  --------------------
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:46:23 -0400
From: tony mayer <>
Subject: Can I demo your shed?

I am looking for used lumber and tin roofing to build a nice garden shed.
Does anyone have a building that needs to be removed. If it has any
salvageable materials I will take it down and haul it away for free.

Tony Mayer

--------------------  3  --------------------
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:11:28 -0400
From: David Smith <>
Subject: Locals?

I'm ROFL at folks acting holier-than-thou because it was their
ancestors whole stole the land from the Indians. What a stupid topic!
Grow up folks.

--------------------  4  --------------------
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:27:02 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Sigh... locals again...

I wanted to thank Rita with the hyphenated last name and the others who've
jumped in to once again add fuel to the us/them argument.  And I wanted to
thank all those locals for once again reminding me in the most polite of
terms that I am not "native", will never be "native", should not consider
myself a "local", and should just smile and keep my mouth shut because
being an "outsider" means that I don't have the right to want, work for,
hope for, or embrace changes that could make my life better.

I'd like to introduce a term, and I don't see why we can't all use it.
The term is gaijin.  It's a Japanese term that means "outsider" or
"foreigner" or more appropriately "non-Japanese" and that is pretty
apropos here.  After all, if we weren't born here, then we are all gaijin.

The reason I mention this is that the so very polite explanation that I
should just shut the heck up or move back to [insert location of origin
here] reminds me a lot of an experience my dad had once in Japan.  My dad
has never had the resources to travel much.  Sure, we traveled when I was
a kid, all over the south, where I grew up, and even across the country a
time or two, but never out of the U.S.  So when the chance came for him to
spend 4 weeks in Japan being trained as part of his job for Yokohama Tire,
he eagerly packed his bags and jumped on the plane.

He saw a lot of wonderful things in Japan, just as I see many wonderful
things here in Chatham County every day.  He had some fabulous food in
many restaurants there, just as I dine here at Elois', various BBQ places,
Rufus' and the GSC.  He shopped there, buying gifts for us kids, and my
mom, and everyone else in the family, just as I often buy gifts for my
family here in Chatham.

So my dad was out wandering one day, taking in the sights and sounds and
experiences and decided it was time to get something to eat.  He looked
around a bit and finally chose to enter a small bake shop to get some
fresh baked goodies.  Behind the counter was an elderly woman, a local, a
native, if you will.  He tried several times to order something to eat,
only to be met each time with "Oh, so sorry... so sorry" with a
disarmingly polite smile.

Finally, the little old woman told my father "So sorry, you can't be here.
 You go down street" all the while smiling and being so very polite.  The
store was for Japanese only.  No gaijin allowed.  There are many ancient
villages and towns across rural Japan, and in most cases, while the people
are almost obscenely polite, there exists a veiled, yet polite bigotry
among the "natives" against the gaijin.

I bring this up to illustrate the point.  The population of Chatham County
is not stagnant.  It is very fluid, and these days, it's growing almost
exponentially to its growth in the previous hundred years or more.  I read
the chatlist every day, and when these discussions pop up I cringe in the
thinly veiled bigotry displayed by the "locals" who are "native" to
Chatham county.

Ordinarily, I find this amusing, but the point is, no one here is truly a
"native".  Those of you who can claim that your family was here in the
very beginning, way back when, should remember that your family got that
land from the true Natives.  You are just as gaijin as I am, whether you
care to admit that to yourselves or not.  You've just lived here a bit

Another point to make... there have always been gaijin in Chatham County.
Were it not for the people who move into the county from other places,
you'd most certainly be married to your own relatives.  Without a shift in
population from external gene pools, the only other option is inbreeding,
or not breeding, and in either of those cases, eventually the existing
population dies out and a new one moves in.  That's just nature working as
it is supposed to.

So whether or not you are "local" or "native" or whatever label you need
to give yourself to differentiate yourself from those of us who haven't
lived here for the last 50 years, you are still made up of gaijin.  I've
been gaijin my entire life, so this is nothing new to me.  That doesn't
make the thinly veiled polite bigotry any more palatable, however...

Going back on last time to the beginning of my post, I wonder if Rita with
the Hyphenated Name realizes that the hyphenated surname is a gaijin
custom.  It's European, and most certainly NOT an antiquated Southern
Tradition where the family structure is predominately patriarchal.  In
fact, the popularity of the hyphenated last name in the US is very
attributable to the feminism movement and their need to break the
centuries old custom of the woman always taking the husbands last name and
dropping hers. In any case, the practice of hyphenating the last name is
certainly not "local" nor is it "native" to Chatham County, and I'd wager
that it is only very recently begun to become even remotely common among
the surnames in the area.

--------------------  5  --------------------
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:38:34 -0400
From: Cathy Holt <>
Subject: Re: Chatham Chatlist #3376


If you are interested in yoga classes, check out my web-site at  or give ma a call at 542-4103.
Cathy Holt

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:58:05 -0400
From: Carrie Fields
Subject: seeking (affordable) dance and yoga classes in pittsboro

I'm just trying to get an idea of what my options are with regards to
movement classes and/or groups offered in the Pittsboro area.  I'm
particularly interested in modern dance and ashtanga-type yoga, but am
interested in hearing about any sort of creative movement classes  
offered in
the area.  I know of some in Chapel Hill but it would be great to stay

contact me at  if you have any info to  

On Mar 23, 2009, at 3:51 AM, Chatham Chatlist wrote:

> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:58:05 -0400
> From: Carrie Fields
> Subject: seeking (affordable) dance and yoga classes in pittsboro

> I'm just trying to get an idea of what my options are with regards to
> movement classes and/or groups offered in the Pittsboro area.  I'm
> particularly interested in modern dance and ashtanga-type yoga, but am
> interested in hearing about any sort of creative movement classes  
> offered in
> the area.  I know of some in Chapel Hill but it would be great to stay
> local...

> contact me at  if you have any info to  
> share!

--------------------  6  --------------------
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 11:36:01 -0400
From: Debbie Roos <>
Subject: Farm Show and Tell March 30

Monday, March 30, 2009
5:30-7:00-ish pm
CCCC Land Lab Farm "Show and Tell"
Pittsboro, NC

Rain or shine - please dress appropriately.

The Chatham County Center of North Carolina Cooperative Extension has organized a "show and tell" at the Central Carolina Community College (CCCC) Land Lab Farm from 5:30 pm until 7:00 pm or so for Monday, March 30. This farm visit is for farmers of all levels and also eaters interested in learning more about our local farms.

The Land Lab is the outdoor classroom for students enrolled in the Sustainable Farming Program at CCCC. Students can take classes in a wide range of topics, including organic vegetable production, livestock management, marketing, and much more. Students can enroll in continuing education classes or work towards an associate degree in sustainable agriculture. Learn more at

Next Monday we will see the spring production in full swing at the Land Lab: peas, carrots, kale, green onions, and potatoes have all been planted. Over-wintered cover crops will be looking full and beautiful and overwintered garlic and hoophouse crops will still be in the field. Laying hens are part of the crop rotation so we will see how chickens can provide nutrients and pest management as well as additional income! Students in the organic crop production class have their own production beds with a variety of spring crops.

We hope you will be able to join us! You do not need to register for this free event; the program will begin promptly at 5:30 pm. Please arrive a few minutes early so we can start on time.


The address is 764 West St., Pittsboro, NC 27312.

From the downtown traffic circle in Pittsboro, take 64 west.

Go about ½ a mile to the intersection of 64 and 87/902 at the light at Al's Diner (on your left). Continue straight through the intersection to stay on 64. From the light, go 0.2 miles and turn right past the NAPA Auto Parts Store into the CCCC entrance. The Land Lab farm will be on your left as you approach the brick buildings. It is surrounded by an 8 foot high deer fence and hard to miss!

For more information on sustainable agriculture, visit Cooperative Extension's Growing Small Farms website at

I hope to see you there!

Debbie Roos
Agricultural Extension Agent
Chatham County Center
North Carolina Cooperative Extension

--------------------  7  --------------------
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:35:00 -0400
From: CrYpTiK <>
Subject: Re: Changing an ecosystem can destroy it - locals aren't "ignorant"

"I have stayed out of the local vs newcomer debate previously pretty
easily, but I can't ignore your level of ignorance (and intolerance and
stereotyping, but I could have ignored those)."

Yes, calling me names will certainly strengthen your logic!

"I also respect the people who have lived here for generations and who
have helped to make this the type of place I want to live. They are no
more racist than people I have lived around in most other parts of the
country, including the Northeast, and no more resistant to change in
general. In every community there are a few folks who feel that any
change is bad, and anybody different than me is bad, and a lot of folks
who are fairly open minded, and the same is true here, both among
"natives" and "newcomers"."

The racism comment was intended to describe older individuals who grew
up in a time when racism was expected, not to class all self-described
"locals" as flaming racist hate-mongerers.  I feel you've modified my
statement's meaning to fit your own perspective, and that's a common
trap to fall into.  Granted, most people do accept changes well; it is
not those people that I was speaking of.  I don't generalize and say
"all locals are racists and perpetually want to remain stuck in time," I
say that those who possess undesirable traits eventually die and
disappear, and society moves on with or without them.  Individuals such
as the one a few lists back who said that "you're stepping on toes if
you weren't born here" are whom I speak of, and thank goodness that
attitude can't live forever.

"One of the big differences between a lot of the positions expressed by
and associated with "natives" and "newcomers" (stereotypically) in
Chatham, is that some people in both groups are familiar with
agriculture and the requirements of an agricultural community, with
native plants and animals in the North Carolina piedmont and what
changes adversely impact their survival, with what affects the
livelihoods of those who have lived here for generations and are not
necessarily prepared to move to Seattle or Chicago to start over if
their life here is destroyed. Some people, in both groups, but more in
the newcomers than in the natives, don't know, don't care, and think
that anyone who does know and care is "ignorant and racist"."

Two points: one, you started your message by calling me ignorant, and
two, you just issued a stereotypical view while simultaneously
condemning stereotypical views.  As far as I can tell, you want to have
it both ways, and that doesn't make any sense.

"I have found that a little respect will go a long way to bridge divides
between newcomer and native, and I urge all newcomers to take the time
to respectfully listen to as many "natives" as possible. What you learn
will enrich your enjoyment of Chatham County immeasureably. And it will
help us all to preserve and protect what is best about where we all call

Oh, I wholeheartedly agree with you there, but my point was against
those "natives" who want to force change on those whom they claim want
to force change on them.  Once again, can't have it both ways.  Nothing
I said should be taken as an attempt to put down the immense knowledge
that long-time Chatham residents have, because that was neither the
wording nor the intent.  When a self-described "local" behaves
hypocritically and even downright rudely toward a "newcomer," however, I
don't care who they are or what they know.  Such people deserve to
receive the same level of respect that they handed out, and I'll be glad
when their horrible attitudes towards others are completely and totally
wiped out of the county.

--------------------  8  --------------------
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:21:01 -0400
From: "Heuer, John (Chair Emeritus, Employee Forum)"
Subject: Procession for the Future coming to Pittsboro

The Procession for the Future is coming to Pittsboro!
The Procession for the Future is a touring parade, using high production va=
lue art and spectacle to animate our aspirations and deliver a compelling p=
rogressive vision for the country. The 20+ plus giant puppets and inflatabl=
es portray a set of progressive policy priorities including:

 *   Fair Trade, Living Wage Jobs & Healthy Local Economies
 *   Climate Stabilization, Ecological Sustainability & Renewable Energy
 *   End of War, Dismantling of Empire & the Military Industrial Complex
 *   Election Integrity & Renewal of Democracy
 *   Housing, Education and Health Care for All
 *   Humane & Fair Immigration Policy
 *   Celebration of Diversity & Elimination of Racial Disparities
 *   Governmental Accountability and Transparency
This is a great opportunity to grow an inspirational, propositional popular=
 movement to define and propel "Change we can believe in" at this critical =

The Procession for the Future supports the NC NAACP Historic Thousands on J=
ones Street 14 point legislative agenda.

Schedule of Events in Pittsboro on Friday, March 27

3:30pm      Assemble puppets at the Chatham County Superior Court House law=
n in Pittbsoro=92s central circle, the intersection of Highways 64 and 15-5=

4:00pm      March north on Hillsboro St (on the footpath, not the road) .5 =
mile to the Chatham Marketplace at Chatham Mills, Pittsboro=92s co-op groce=
ry, deli and lawn.

5:00pm      Activist Fair on the Lawn, featuring regional artists, peace, j=
ustice, labor, environmental and other activists=92 displays and demonstrat=

7:00pm      Inspirational music and speakers at the Superior Courthouse wit=
h welcome by Pittsboro Mayor Randy Voller, featuring Lyle Estill, author of=
 Small Is Possible: Life in a Local Economy=94

8:30pm      Closing ceremonies with the choir of the whole singing We the P=

9:00pm      Repair across the street to the Black Bird Bar at the General S=
tore Caf=E9 for refreshment and the sweet sounds of Mary Jo Rockers and Joc=
elyn Arem

Sponsors:   The Abundance Foundation, NC Peace Action, Triangle Veterans fo=
r Peace

Contact:  John Heuer
               919-444-3823 (cell)

--------------------  9  --------------------
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:32:08 -0400
From: Angelina <>
Subject: looking for Kelly Evans

Hi everyone

If Kelly Evans reads this post - or anyone who may know her - please have
her contact Angelina
at the shop 919-545-5505 or via email


--------------------  10  --------------------
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:54:39 -0400
From: "Jim and Beverly Wiggins" <>
Subject: Book Sale this week to benefit library!

This week only, the Friends of the Pittsboro Memorial Library is holding its Spring book sale Thursday, Friday and Saturday, March 26, 27 and 28 from 10AM to 7PM each day.

Once again the book sale will be at Pittsboro Kiwanis Building, 309 Credle St., Pittsboro. See detailed directions to the Kiwanis Building at:

The number of books and selections will be as large as ever. And once again we will also have our usual great prices: Most hard cover books are $3.00, paperbacks $.50-2.00, plus CDs and videos. Some unusual or rare books will be specially priced in our collector's corner. You can view some of the examples of these special books at:

Times are bad, but books are timeless so we're offering BIG DISCOUNTS on  our usual great prices!

Thursday, when you get your best selection, 30% off sales $200 and up; 20% off sales of $100-199.  Collector's Corner included.

Friday, half-price day, as always.

Saturday, when you can buy books by the grocery bag, we've reduced prices from $5 to $3/bag!

All proceeds benefit the new Chatham Community Library.

--------------------  11  --------------------
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:33:30 -0500
From: "W,M&M" <>
Subject: TORERO'S  Reminder

Torero's Mexican Restaurant at Cole Park Plaza will be
donating 10% of sales to Pittsboro Relay for Life      
Tuesday March 24th     5 PM 'till closing    
Kids eat for free every Tuesday  
Please say thank you to Gabino Ornelas for his community
involvement and 3rd year supporting Pittsboro Relay for Life

--------------------  12  --------------------
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:42:27 EDT
Subject: Supporting Our Chatham Neighbors

Dear Chatham Neighbors,   There are many reasons  to support Chatham
businesses.  For one thing you may discover  something weren't expecting.  I was
having a fine time last Friday night at  the Third Friday Art Walk in Siler City.  
Beth Goldston's recent work at  the NC Arts Incubator is an evening in itself.

         Then I stopped in Pat  Dawson's Paperbacks Plus and bought a first
edition of Katherine Hepburn's  first book for four bucks.  Later I discovered
it sells for $40 to $70 on  Amazon.  If I was going to sell it, I would at
least split the difference  with Pat.

         Another reason to support  Chatham businesses.  You're apt to get
more for your money.

         I am collecting stories  about the good personal experiences people
have had with Chatham  businesses.  Please email them to me at
_bast...@aol.com_ ( .

         While you are online you  might want to check out Osprey Marketing's
new web site:


                                                       Thanks, Mary Bastin

--------------------  13  --------------------
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:44:45 -0400
From: Forrest Greenslade <>
Subject: Debut

Chatham County emerging artist debuts at Scrapel Hill Art

Holly Felice is a joyful young woman, known to whistle and sing while
creating her unique sculptures. However, she is stone serious about two
things – her art and the environment. “I am so excited about the Scrapel
Hill show and contest,” she exclaims. “I love working with scrap,
wondering what it can be. It’s inspiring rather than intimidating,
because I can experiment without fear of wasting some expensive art

Scrapel Hill Art ( at the University Mall
( from April through June, is an
inaugural Chapel Hill public arts project, where the best local artists
create works of art to help educate and promote the value of recycling.
The idea evolved from the Mall management’s interest in art and
sustainability. They want to expand this idea to other centers in their
portfolio, but believe that Chapel Hill is the best venue for the
inaugural event. They had learned about a similar event taking place
near San Francisco, called “Scrapture”. They turned to Jeffrey York, the
Art Administrator for the Town of Chapel Hill for guidance, and he came
up with the unique name, “Scrapel Hill”.
Holly Felice is one of 16 area artists participating in the Scrapel Hill
Art exhibit and contest. Felice considers herself a mixed media artist.
“I want to learn everything about using wood, metal, clay, or glass –
whatever material tells the best story,” she explains.

Felice is developing her multifaceted sculpture career at Central
Carolina Community College
( “What sets the CCCC
program apart from other professional arts and crafts programs is the
inclusion of entrepreneurial instruction that will assist in the
planning, operation, and marketing of a professional craft studio and
gallery,” asserts Phillip Ashe, the program’s director. “This program
was created in response to the expanding interest in pottery, sculpture,
and professional arts in the central region of North Carolina.” Felice
adds, “The CCCC program is a great way to jump start an arts career. I
gained both the technical skills and the marketing know how to live as
an artist. The teachers give each student a lot of personal attention.
They actually helped me with the Scrapel Hill project.” Metal Sculpture
teacher Kevin Eichner drew Felice’s attention to the opportunity that
Scrapel Hill Art would offer her, and Design teacher Emma Scurnick
advised her on the submission.

Felice is producing her sculptural submission under Eichner’s tutelage
at his Moncure Mechanism of Art (MMOA) in southern Chatham County. She
describes, “I am making a Scrap Metal Medusa using re-bar that I found
at a grocery store demolition site. Using the re-bar, I am forging
snakes that will seem to be slithering over a female torso. Medusa's
form is defined by the negative space left by the stylized snakes
fabricated from scrap. The concept – People only know what they see.
Sometimes only the surface defines the whole.” MMOA is envisioned by
renowned sculptor Eichner as a vehicle for emerging artists like Felice
to advance both technically and conceptually. "Holly possesses a
refreshing confidence and ambition that allows her to take great strides
in broadening and strengthening her creative talents and technical
abilities," Eichner explains.

Felice’s family was always conscious of the environment, but she took it
to another level. Her mother Roxanne recalls, “The cable company would
not run cable into our subdivision because low population density in the
area reduced their profits, so we had satellite TV installed. My husband
and son-in-law were all ready to watch their favorite sports channel,
but one tree blocked the reception of that satellite. There was
discussion about possibly cutting the tree down when our tree-hugging
art student threatened to live in the tree if necessary to save it.
Needless to say, the tree is still there.”

“I am more comfortable with plants and animals than with people," Felice
says. Her Scrapel Hill project reflects her dual passions – art and the

"I look forward with great anticipation to the Scrapel Hill Art show at
University Mall. I am always fascinated by artists' creativity in
transforming cast off materials into objects of beauty or controversy,”
says Forrest Greenslade, President of the Chatham Artists Guild. “I
can't wait to see the show and cast my vote."

For more information on the Central Carolina Community College Ceramic
and Metal Sculpture Program contact Phillip Ashe (; on
Scrapel Hill Art contact Garry Meldrum
(; on MMOA contact Kevin Eichner

Caption: Holly Felice working on her Medusa at the MMOA in Moncure, NC.
Photo by Forrest Greenslade

Forrest C. Greenslade. PhD, DTM
Artist, Writer, Speaker
President, Chatham Artists Guild

--------------------  14  --------------------
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:46:13 -0400
From: "Gene" <>
Subject: HD Video clip from Northwood's "Into the Woods" Sunday matinee

Here's a first for Northwood Musical Production - you can view a high
quality 720p video clip of the opening prologue on YouTube.
If you have high speed internet access make sure to click on the HD button.

Go to

I will have more video clips up over the next couple of days.

If you like what you see make sure to go and see the musical LIVE at
Northwood this Thursday, Friday and Saturday!

Inspired by Bruno Bettelheim's 1976 book, The Uses of Enchantment, the
musical intertwines the plots of several Brothers Grimm fairy tales
and follows them further to explore the consequences of the
characters' wishes and quests. The main characters are taken from the
stories of Little Red Ridinghood, Jack and the Beanstalk, Rapunzel,
and Cinderella, tied together by a more original story involving a
Baker and his wife and their quest to begin a family, most likely
taken from the original story of Rapunzel by the Brothers Grimm. It
also includes references to several other well-known tales.

--------------------  15  --------------------
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:54:15 -0400
Subject: Generator Repair

Does anyone know of someone who understands generators and can repair them?? The company that made my generator does not service them and doesn't know of anyone in our area who can either.? We have already replaced the starter twice and that doesn't seem to have done the trick.? Thanks,? Connie

--------------------  16  --------------------
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 21:30:22 -0400
From: "Gene" <>
Subject: General Store's music posts

Received the following question today -

"I was just wondering why the General Store can have information on what is happening at their establishment on days
other than Friday."

Answer -

I allow General Store posts about LIVE music events before the Friday classified ads. I do NOT allow any of their other
posts on any other days beside Friday.  

In fact, you may have also noticed that music posts from any other venues that offer LIVE music may appear before Friday
if the performances take place before the start of a weekend.


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